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ontd_footballChelsea football fans prevent a black man from boarding a Paris metro train shortly before the Champions League fixture between Chelsea and Paris Saint-Germain on Tuesday. The unidentified passenger attempts to squeeze on to the train, only to be pushed forcefully back on to the platform at the Richelieu-Drouot station. The fans then chant: 'We're racist, we're racist and that's the way we like it'
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Ugh, real talk? The actual reason why no one fucking likes Chelsea.
Fuck that noise. (Also fuck you LJ. Didn't you use to work better?)
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Ugh, real talk? The actual reason why no one fucking likes Chelsea.
Fuck that noise. (Also fuck you LJ. Didn't you use to work better?)
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Gross, so gross.
Date: 2015-02-18 03:01 am (UTC)(Don't get me wrong, it's important to bring these incidents to light for awareness, but seeing FIFA/UEFA stamp "Say No To Racism" everywhere and pat themselves on the back like they're fixing a problem is really depressing too.)
RE: Gross, so gross.
Date: 2015-02-18 03:12 am (UTC)This was some random dude on the metro who just wanted to get home, though, not an opposition player. There's literally no context to his gross behaviour other than "because they're racist assholes". ETA: Not that I condone it in games, of course. Just. Like, what the actual fuck did this guy do to you?
Supposedly, Chelsea is the worst of the lot when it comes to London -- and with Fullham, apparently. It might just be the area of London they historically represented. I know a lot of clubs like Arsenal and Tottenham and their fans usually go out of their way to stamp out this type of behaviour. Though supposedly there was an incidence of violence/racism after the last NL Derby a few weeks ago.
RE: Gross, so gross.
Date: 2015-02-18 03:21 am (UTC)RE: Gross, so gross.
Date: 2015-02-18 03:30 am (UTC)And that's what makes this so much worse. This isn't a PSG supporter, this is literally just some guy trying to get on the metro and they're being racist fucking pricks.
Supposedly, Chelsea is the worst of the lot when it comes to London
This is 100% true. We have the worst record when it comes to racism/hooliganism. They don't seem to care if you're a supporter or not, either, so long as you're not white/a minority in some way.
RE: Gross, so gross.
Date: 2015-02-18 04:44 am (UTC)Apparently after the NL derby, a black Arsenal fan ran into some hot-headed (read: racist) Spurs fans and then some police brutality. But then he mentioned that both Arsenal *AND* Spurs fans went out of their way to help him because stamping out racism and being a decent human being > your club affiliation.
Anyway, I'm sorry for anything that has happened to you :( No one deserves to be on the end of that bullshit. It's unfortunate because the club can't control people, but fans also inadvertently represent the club and it's like... you think this looks good for Chelsea? Or do you just not fucking care? I'm glad it seems like they're taking a strong stand and banning trash from ever coming to the stadium again and cooperating with police. Good riddance.
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Date: 2015-02-18 04:31 am (UTC)Paul Nolan, a British expatriate who filmed the clip on his phone, told the Guardian that he had arrived on the platform on Tuesday evening after finishing work.
“The doors were open and I could see and hear that a lot of chanting was going on,” he said. “It looked like it was quite aggressive so I just took out by phone to record it.”
He said that the train had been stopped for about three minutes when the man arrived on the platform and tried to get on.
“He was obviously completely shocked when they pushed him off. I don’t think he realised who they were. He then tried to get on again and got pushed off a second time.
“I was just completely appalled by it and so that’s why I tried to catch some of it on my phone, although I was a bit self-conscious as it was getting quite aggressive and I overhead one of the Chelsea fans say something about stabbing someone. I think he was referring to a Paris Saint-Germain supporter who was on the platform.”
Nolan added that others on the platform looked on in disbelief: “There definitely was a culture shock. I heard a couple of French guys saying: ‘I can’t believe this. It’s insane.’”
French police reportedly used teargas outside the match venue amid scuffles involving Chelsea fans before the game.
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Date: 2015-02-18 04:50 am (UTC)idk just. the world is not a nice place most of the time, and football is supposed to be escape from that :(
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Date: 2015-02-18 04:32 am (UTC)I think the people I feel the worst for are Chelsea fans who are minorities. Honestly, I think the most fitting punishment (or would give me the most joy in life) would be to make them say it to Pogba's face before banhammering them the hell out of ever attending a game.
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Date: 2015-02-18 02:29 pm (UTC)I know too many fans who have given up on going to the Bridge because of racism :/ And right? I'd love to see them try to pull that shit with the King.
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Date: 2015-02-18 07:19 am (UTC)That poor man - I fear he might encounter racism in any case in daily life, but that sort of open, physical assault isn't how it manifests these days with the "I'm not racist, but [says racist thing]" brigade. I wonder if he even realised what exactly was going on there.
Normally, I'd judge the bystanders that don't interfere, but considering the physicality of it, the drunkenness and the threatening behaviour of these people, I can't blame people for not engaging them. Although I do think someone on that train could have used the emergency brake. Filming it and making it public was a good thing to do though.
This is something in a whole different category from, say, two opposing groups of ultras making an appointment to beat each other up in a consenting manner. It's still stupid, and they should be prosecuted for it, but assaulting a totally uninvolved person with such open, proud racism... scum. I hope they find them and do give them those stadium bans. At which point they'll probably feel victimised by "political correctness".
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Date: 2015-02-18 09:21 am (UTC)Where do you live? Drunk British people are one of the most scary groups. You just hope they won't see you and pray for the police when you see them.
Using emergency brake can make them even more angry idk about Paris but in Warsaw we have information how we can send text messeges in some trains/buses etc. so maybe it's like this also there.
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Date: 2015-02-18 12:16 pm (UTC)SMH-
Date: 2015-02-18 07:33 am (UTC)RE: SMH-
Date: 2015-02-18 02:23 pm (UTC)This is disgusting.
Date: 2015-02-18 09:48 am (UTC)Anyway, Arseblog had a post on it which I'm going to paste here in its entirety. I think it sums up exactly how I feel about this:
"I didn’t see any Champions League last night as I was playing football myself, and I’m very cautious about criticising an entire group of people for the behaviour of some idiots, but the ones involved in that incident on the Paris Metro are depressing to me.
I don’t suppose we can ever get to terms with how downright shitty people can be towards each for all kinds of reasons – whether it’s race, religion, politics or the countless other excuses they use to behave without any manners or decency – but there’s something particularly cretinous about a group of people who come together under the banner of a football club owned by a Russian, managed by a Portuguese man, with players from all over the world happily, giddily, declaring their racism as if it were a badge of honour.
And lest we get on our high horses, there’s an unsavoury element in almost every club’s ‘support’. It shouldn’t be simply about how Chelsea fans are this or that, it’s a wider issue about the fact that a lot of people are profoundly stupid and ignorant, and that such behaviour really shouldn’t be tolerated by anyone. So if those singing morons who stopped that man getting on the train can be identified and face consequences for their actions, then I’m all for it.
That their sadly all too prevalent behaviour is abhorrent goes without saying. As does any kind of discrimination against people because of who they are. It’s like getting angry at chairs for having four legs or for the sky being blue. It’s 2015 and as a species we still struggle to understand that things like the colour of somebody’s skin, what flavour of god they believe in, who they like to go to bed with or who they want to marry should be irrelevant.
We’re having a marriage referendum in Ireland here shortly and arguments go on all day between the people who rightly believe that people who love each other should be able to get married, and the people who think they have some kind of right to stop this happening.
The question, of course, is what happens to you if two men or two women get married? What impact does it have on your life? The answer is absolutely none. Two people I have never met go through some kind of ceremony in a place I’ve never been at a time I’m unaware of and my life goes on the same as it did before this happened. It’s not as if every time a gay couple get married a massive hole is punched in the ozone layer and there’s a plague of cancer locusts.
Nothing happens other than these two people and their friends and families have a nice day and the couple hopefully have a nice life together. So imagine what kind of person you have to be to actively campaign against that. Just mind your own business.
That’s the thing: if people would just mind their own goddam business and leave people who have nothing to do with them alone then this would be a much happier planet. You’re this, I’m that, or maybe we could just look at each other as people and not worry about what arbitrary category we belong in, and we can just get on with our lives.
So, you go to Paris, one of the world’s great cities, with so much to see and do, centuries of culture and the best of what human beings can be, and you and your thick as fuck friends stop a man getting on a train and sing about how racist you are. Never mind Chelsea, congratulations to you for being such ambassadors for the human race.
Ultimately there are no justifications for any of it – racism, sexism, homophobia or any kind of discrimination – despite the best efforts of the people responsible for it. They can usually tap into the fear or ignorance of others to make it seem as if their intolerance has some weight, but it doesn’t. And those people on that train yesterday were everything that rest of us should never be, and never put up with."
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Date: 2015-02-18 03:03 pm (UTC)Ultimately, it's not Chelsea FC's fault their fans are racist fuckfaces, in the same way Piers Morgan can go #WengerOut but there is no way to get #PiersMorganOut *facepalm* I think the only thing Spurs and Arsenal fans are joined in is their absolute and unrepentant combined hatred of him.
Anyway, I do think Chelsea has a club has a social responsibility to the community to do programs that promote equality and justice. Ultimately, football will always be a hypermasculine culture, but knowing that, I think CFC has a responsibility to their fans, English football, and London to try to promote a better community. First off, like making your famous first team players do charity events (I am imaging with too much glee making John Terry do a program to support black youths' education 8DDD).
Fans frequently will follow by example. If you see your favourite players Alexis and Santi going to volunteer for youth program, if you admire them, then you might also feel compelled do those kinds of things. Chelsea can't control what their fans have done, but I think they need to do more than just pay lip service to "no racism". The ban is a good start, but I really want to see social responsibility from the club too that's more than just throwing money at shit.
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Date: 2015-02-18 04:09 pm (UTC)...........
Date: 2015-02-18 04:16 pm (UTC)There's literally nothing I can say. Even Reddit reacted better than this and that's a trove of disgusting filth
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Date: 2015-02-18 04:19 pm (UTC)There were some commenters on the Guardian website too who were saying shit like this.
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Date: 2015-02-18 04:52 pm (UTC)However, this? Ugh, real talk? The actual reason why no one fucking likes Chelsea. I might usually root for Chelsea in the PL, but I'm not even really a fan - this kind of behaviour doesn't have much to do with football. It wasn't even aimed at the opposition fans. Yes, they happen to be Chelsea's fans and this clearly doesn't benefit the club's reputation, but the incident was outside the club's control.
Like I said, though, this incident is sickening and I will never understand how some (many!) people can be so racist/homophobic/etc. :(
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Date: 2015-02-18 05:11 pm (UTC)I mean, it's like the "not all men" argument. I absolutely know and believe not all men are rapists, but if I tell you a glass of water is "only" 10% shit, would you drink it? 5%? 1%?
When I meant "real talk" I really mean it as in as in a generality about the reputation of the club and its fanbase. I'm not blaming Chelsea FC for what happened, but in light of this, I think the club should strive to actively combat racism and hooliganism -- at least more than hold up a "say no to racism" banner and ban the offenders.
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Date: 2015-02-18 05:23 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-02-18 05:35 pm (UTC)But that being said, this article about yesterday's incident follows it up:
A chant of "We're racist and that's the way we like it" is clearly audible on the video, but McCoy contended it was not about the passenger.
He added: "That song was about John Terry. The only words I know is 'he's a racist, he's a racist' and I don't know the rest."
And that's the problem when stuff like this happens, right? The shit JT pulled keeps rolling downhill, and now the fans feel justified in what they're doing. :/
BTW, I'm sorry if I offended you -- I didn't mean it as in "I think all Chelsea fans are racist". I honestly can't speak for everyone, but I think when people outside of the club see this, especially people who are just French or English but not interested in football, this does not reflect well on the club even if it's out of their control. Right now, they just need to stamp it out as hard as they can.
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Date: 2015-02-18 05:48 pm (UTC)You didn't offend me (I follow Chelsea, but I don't really identify myself as their fan). I just don't like such generalizations and I think the Chelsea hate in this community is over-the-top.
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Date: 2015-02-18 06:53 pm (UTC)I think you're also right about that, but unfortunately, a lot of people think in generalities. It's not just a problem for Chelsea, but English clubs in general. If fans of a Turkish club go to an away game and send up flares in a stadium, then Turkish fans are assholes. If we hear about an Italian derby where fans chanted racists slurs at the other club's players and there was violence afterward, then Italian fans are violent and out of control. It wasn't that long ago that the first incident at Anfield got ALL English clubs banned from European competition for five years. UCL isn't Euro or WC, but inadvertently the club and fans represent the country to an extent.
The rest of the world looks badly on England, and the rest of England blames Chelsea, when in reality, it's a small group of people who are in no one's control. (It's similar to how when white foreign act like dickbags non-western countries, it's reflective of White Privilege)
as for JT -- I was saying he should be "encouraged" to do a social program promoting black youths' education, but
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Date: 2015-02-18 06:05 pm (UTC)" (Also fuck you LJ. Didn't you use to work better?)"
It did work better before the numerous takeovers and that was a long long time ago.
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Date: 2015-02-18 06:06 pm (UTC)I blame Russia.
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Date: 2015-02-18 06:30 pm (UTC)What a bunch of clowns. Well, they will be repenting at leisure, I am sure, due to the negative publicity they're getting. :D