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World Cup bid process flawed and in need of greater transparency

ZURICH -- The Baur au Lac hotel, a five-star palace on the banks of Lake Zurich, was the epicenter of The Game here this week: the final lobbying of the nine bids vying to host the 2018 and 2022 World Cups. As the official hotel of the FIFA Executive Committee, the 22 men who choose the World Cup hosts, the opulent Baur au Lac welcomed all manner of dignitaries this week, from former President Bill Clinton and David Beckham to Prince William and British Prime Minister David Cameron.

On Wednesday night, I shared a couch in the lobby bar with Mia Hamm and her husband, Nomar Garciaparra. And on Thursday night, after FIFA had chosen Russia '18 and Qatar '22 as the big winners, I came back to the Baur au Lac to try to make sense of how Qatar -- a nation the size of Connecticut, one that had been deemed a "high risk" by FIFA's own inspectors -- had swept aside the U.S. with ease to win one of the biggest prizes in sports.

It was, to put it mildly, an intriguing scene. I got propositioned by an attractive Russian hooker and politely declined -- perhaps Russia's only defeat of the day. And I discovered just how much slithering chutzpah the voters of the FIFA ExCo really have. As it turns out, several of the FIFA voters were unaware (seven hours after the fact) that the round-by-round, secret-ballot vote totals had been released to the public.
The result: By 11 p.m. on Thursday, at least three FIFA voters had told England '18 bid committee members that they had voted for them -- even though England got only two votes in a first-round elimination. And at least three voters had told the Australia '22 bid committee the same thing, even though only one had voted for the Aussies.

This was my first time covering a FIFA World Cup host selection week, and I leave here with one lasting impression: The closer you get to the voting process, the more opaque it becomes. FIFA goes to great lengths to make it seem as though the competition is based on the merits, asking for thousand-page bid books, sending inspection teams to each country and commissioning economic-benefit studies by top consultants. And by those standards, the winners of the bids Thursday would have been England for '18 and the United States for '22.
But the merits don't really matter much, not compared to whatever personal concerns motivate those 22 men of FIFA, who have no check on their power. England was humiliated in its first-round departure, and the U.S. never got close to Qatar, which came within one vote of a majority on the first ballot.

The common link between Russia and Qatar, besides being new territories for the World Cup, is that they had by far the wealthiest bid budgets. If FIFA wanted to avoid the perception that it isn't entirely clean, it probably shouldn't have chosen the two bidding countries whose economies are awash primarily in petrodollars. (If you want to see the connection between the world's petro-economies and corruption, check out one of the many studies on the subject.) This isn't a sour-grapes rant from a U.S. writer, either. Choosing Australia, another first-time host, would have left a cleaner impression than going with Qatar.

But it's all in The Game when it comes to FIFA, and the U.S. should know that by now. Is it possible to win the World Cup hosting rights playing by the rules? I doubt it. At the very least you have to venture into the gray areas to have a chance, and U.S. bid chair Sunil Gulati proudly proclaimed that the U.S. bid didn't even enter those gray areas.

With this FIFA bunch you have to if you really want to win. And that doesn't just apply to World Cups. The International Olympic Committee may have a somewhat cleaner reputation these days -- cleaner, at least, than FIFA's -- but is it any coincidence that the last successful U.S. bid for an Olympics or World Cup was the notoriously shady one from Salt Lake City?

As I sit here in the Zurich airport on Friday morning, I'm left wondering: Why don't the U.S. and England bid committees stand up to FIFA? Why can't U.S. Soccer follow the lead of England bid chief Andy Anson and say it shouldn't bid again until FIFA has more transparency? FIFA is only powerful as long as its members invest it with that power. And based on what I've seen here this week, FIFA is still awaiting its Salt Lake City moment.

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FIFA overlooks Russia, Qatar risks

The warnings were there in black and white.

The operational risk of staging the World Cup in Russia: medium.

The operational risk of holding the tournament in Qatar: high.

All the other bids were listed as low risk.

Yet, FIFA overlooked those findings in its own technical report and picked Russia (2018) and Qatar (2022) to host football's showcase championship.

Surprise? Not really. Potential risks - based on the amount of work the successful bidders would have to undertake to prepare for the competition - were never the key factor in this race, just as they weren't in recent Olympic host-city votes.

This was a decision based on politics, voting alliances, commercial interests, backroom lobbying and the trend among international sports bodies to take their events to new territories. continue


Bonus
http://www.npr.org/2010/12/03/131790949/More-Than-One-Way-To-Pronounce-Qatar


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These articles are about FIFA and the bid process and it would be nice if we could keep the comments about that. So please refrain from making “wanky” comments about countries being “butthurt”. And obviously no racist crap. I will remove any comments I do not like and you will be banished (j/k).
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Date: 2010-12-04 02:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] getbacknow.livejournal.com
why can't wikileaks focus on important things like fifa?

Date: 2010-12-04 02:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] te-amo-messi.livejournal.com
Can't they get over the bid announcement?

Date: 2010-12-04 02:05 am (UTC)

NO

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Date: 2010-12-04 04:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] serpent-849.livejournal.com
qatar and russia (the clusters hosting the games, other than ekaterinburg) are in the same timezone, just 2h ahead of germany

Date: 2010-12-04 02:05 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] schmiss.livejournal.com
Good article here too.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/02/qatar-a-questionable-world-cup-host/

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Date: 2010-12-04 02:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ipomoea.livejournal.com
The parallel between the IOC and FIFA is very appropriate, I think, given that Sepp Blatter was very chummy with Juan Antonio Samaranch back in the day. (If you really want some good reading on shady business dealings, read this book (http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/156818161), Blatter and Samaranch were also good buddies with the man who built Adidas into a huge global brand and pioneered corporate sports sponsorship, it's a football related book and it's excellent, can't recommend enough).

I have nothing bad to say about Russia or Qatar other than too bad I won't be trying to go to these World Cups due to language/money issues now, the bids I hoped to see win didn't, it's done, dealt with it, etc.

Also, NOMAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! ... just 'cause I wanted to say it.

Qatari sheik is still GQ btw.

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Date: 2010-12-04 02:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leinyan.livejournal.com
I'm back to being pissed that we didn't get it ):

the I voted for you stuff is highly suspect though, wonder what really happened.

Date: 2010-12-04 02:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] runandtelldat.livejournal.com
I love how the sheik is used to diffuse any drama. I like this method of peace keeping.

Date: 2010-12-04 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oldwilkie.livejournal.com
his power is impressive... and absolutely understandable!!!

Date: 2010-12-04 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ultraelectric.livejournal.com
While I always lol when I hear "fifa is corrupt", I really do think something needs to be done. But, that's like asking for world peace at this point and time.

When I was listening to the Guardian's Football Weekly Podcast, I believe James Richardson mentioned that he wasn't into it and why would anyone want to be apart of such ... well, insert whatever word you want to use to describe FIFA. I wish countries would actually step up against FIFA. Though that isn't going to happen.

I'm happy for both countries, but I still have concerns over a lot of issues, but I support both countries and want them to have successful World Cups.

Date: 2010-12-04 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chaotic-n.livejournal.com
Maybe by the time that these WC's come things will be different.

I'm feeling optimistic tonight, ngl

Date: 2010-12-04 02:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tamings.livejournal.com
lol at Boneus I approve
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Date: 2010-12-04 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluecrimplene.livejournal.com
I love how in the sea of text there's only one bolded sentence about a Russian hooker.

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Date: 2010-12-04 04:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whitelily22.livejournal.com
DEAR SHEIK,

YOU HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF NEW FANGIRLS :D ♥

Date: 2010-12-04 04:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naketano.livejournal.com
I FANGIRL THE SHEIKA. LOVELY. FLAWLESS.

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Date: 2010-12-04 04:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whitelily22.livejournal.com
lolololol at all the ways people are pronouncing Qatar


omg at it sounding like Cutter D:

Date: 2010-12-04 05:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluecrimplene.livejournal.com
How is it pronounced? I've been reading it as Kuh-tar.

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Date: 2010-12-04 04:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sannmarie.livejournal.com
This is exactly what i said on my facebook last night.

Date: 2010-12-04 04:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] epouvante.livejournal.com
So please refrain from making “wanky” comments about countries being “butthurt”.

thank you. i think there are many reasons to question the motives of how these bids were chosen and simply dismissing them with "u mad" is immature and unnecessary.

And obviously no racist crap.

i can't believe you have to say this, but thank you again.


Date: 2010-12-04 04:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/-allbutgone/
lol, i love how everyone's falling in love with the sheik. he is handsome tho, ngl.

my cousin and i watched qatar's presentation today and it looked really promising. i'm kind of looking forward to it now.

Date: 2010-12-04 04:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] undiaperfecto.livejournal.com
Is it possible to win the World Cup hosting rights playing by the rules? I doubt it. At the very least you have to venture into the gray areas to have a chance, and U.S. bid chair Sunil Gulati proudly proclaimed that the U.S. bid didn't even enter those gray areas.

it's bad enough that not being corrupt is something you have to be proud about, when it should be... well, the normal thing to do. but I don't know. FIFA not being ~transparent is not news and I somehow sadly don't see it changing in the close future.

Date: 2010-12-04 05:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naketano.livejournal.com
I GIVE AN A+ TO SUNIL GULATI FOR NOT STOOPING TO THOSE LEVELS.

IF I WANT THE US TO WIN IT, I WANT THEM TO WIN IT LEGITIMATELY. I WOULD NOT WANT THE REPRESENTATIVES FOR MY NATION TO STOOP TO THE LEVEL OF FIFA CORRUPTION.

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oh and also

Date: 2010-12-04 04:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] undiaperfecto.livejournal.com
I don't know if this is true, but I read that wikileaks had said something about Maradona's last match in Boca, that he and Riquelme had been chosen to do the doping test, and Diego knew his would be positive so he told everyone to change the samples so Riquelme's would be positive instead of his. and that's why they hate each other now.

I highly doubt this is true, but it still made me laugh. lol

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Date: 2010-12-04 05:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piratesswoop.livejournal.com
LOL oh dear

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Date: 2010-12-04 04:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tralala.livejournal.com
It surprises me that people continue to be surprised by FIFA's corruption.

and hello sheik. I got a bit excited seeing him ont he news last night

Date: 2010-12-04 04:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kateekates127.livejournal.com
i am so fucking sick of all the wank. jfc. GET OVER YOURSELVES.

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Date: 2010-12-04 05:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naketano.livejournal.com
FIFA IS CORRUPT. THE SKY IS BLUE. WAYNE ROONEY IS UGLY. PARIS HILTON IS A COKE HEAD. BARACK OBAMA IS A DEMOCRAT. I LIKE LATKES.

SHOULD I CONTINUE NAMING OBVIOUS THINGS THAT ARE OBVIOUS?

Date: 2010-12-04 05:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluecrimplene.livejournal.com
Image (http://photobucket.com)

WHOA, STOP, HOLD ON A SEC'! WAYNE ROONEY IS A STUNNING, GLORIOUS, BEAUTIFUL, SPUD-LIKE, MAN-BEAST!

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Date: 2010-12-04 05:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_almagitana/
Yep. FIFA wouldn't be facing this shit storm if they'd only gone with one petrodollar host. But both? It absolutely reeks.

Date: 2010-12-04 05:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asdfg.livejournal.com
BoneUs

hahahaha
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