UEFA opens disciplinary case against Busquets

[sukha4.livejournal.com]

 UEFA has opened disciplinary proceedings against FC Barcelona midfielder Sergio Busquets, who is alleged to have violated Article 11 bis of the UEFA Disciplinary Regulations by directing racist abuse towards a Real Madrid CF player in the UEFA Champions League semi-final first leg between the clubs on 27 April.

The proceedings have been launched on the basis of evidence provided by Real Madrid (video and statement of club and player). The UEFA Control and Disciplinary Body will deal with the case on Sunday 15 May and the decision will be communicated to the club on Monday 16 May.


Source: www.uefa.com/uefa/footballfirst/matchorganisation/disciplinary/news/newsid=1630422.html

I'm just glad they finally decided to do something about it. What do you think the outcome will be? 

Comments

[yeats.livejournal.com]

listen, we don't know each other, and you have absolutely no reason to take anything i say seriously. i'm sorry your comments were taken from what seems like it was a locked post; that's never right, in my opinion. but i think part of the problem is that the discussions cules are having about this are all going on in a locked community, away from the general fandom. so when we come into a post like this, angry and hurt on behalf of a player that is a fan favorite, and all we see are one another (plus a few cules, whose opinions have been largely respected), it's hard not to wonder if anyone barca fans are really that upset.

which isn't to say that you aren't -- i can't imagine what kind of hell it must be to have not only a player but the organizational hierarchy let you down like this. and i'm not saying you guys need to parade your feelings for the masses. but when we don't hear you talking about this situation, it does begin to feel like we're the only ones making a big deal of this. and it is confusing to me, and i imagine to other people, why cules wouldn't want to be public with their anger.

[robinsparkle.livejournal.com]

Kinda fucked up that you did this, though you know that already. :/ lame

[susieinthesky.livejournal.com]

Okay. So people of minorities can be "racially prejudiced" towards one another, but not "racist" towards one another?

Because "racism" is "prejudice plus power", and "racial prejudice" lacks the power aspect.

So why the change from viewing "racism" as "racial prejudice" with "institutionalised racism" to specifiy "prejudice plus power", to "racism" meaning only "institutionalised racism", and "racism" being known as "racial prejudice"? If exactly the same distinction is being made, isn't the terminology arbitrary?

[ipomoea.livejournal.com]

Hmm. I think this was specificially referencing boys with falsified birth documents, which is what he meant about the documentation. I can say the thing about "open to all supporters outside of Catalunya" is complete bullshit, though and is a big part of why a lot of them hate him.

[carminaburana.livejournal.com]

I've been trying to think of a well-thought out answer to your very valid question, but am coming up a little short b/c in some respects, i agree. The intent behind the revised definitions is to take into consideration relative positions of privilege by the individuals and i think it depends a great deal on WHICH groups are interacting. I don't think the terminology is arbitrary, but one problem i have with the prejudice + power distinction is that it is entirely possible (and i would say even probable) for members of minority groups to internalize systems of racism. Simply being a member of an oppressed category does not make one completely immune to institutions designed to perpetuate white supremacy (i'm mainly speaking in the US context). But the shift in critical race theory to a "prejudice+power" paradigm for racism is more to address things like "reverse racism" and the question of whether it is possible for someone to be racist towards whites. It gets more complicated when we are talking about different minority groups interacting with each other.

[cynicalsnark.livejournal.com]

Yeah about making the kids sound younger than they actually are so they look more talented--I read that too. But while that's a problem, the specific pointing to African children doesn't settle well with me. The closest analogy I can come up with off the cuff relates to the immigration debate in the United States and Arizona...the easiest way to "cover up" racist policies is to implement policies that are mainly targeted to specific racial demographics, (like outlawing particular hiring practices geared toward Mexican migrant workers). That's why he can say Messi's different because he's using that explanation as an excuse.

I hate him but lots of that hate also stems from the shit he's said about my club, so I don't know if Cules share the same sentiments in that case. Although, another thing is I feel like while Laporta has been criticized about his mixing of politics and the club, Rosell's more than a little shady in that department too, and that's probably another reason.

[winkiss.livejournal.com]

Random question, but do the members of _fcb_ know the OP? Like is she a culé that just felt the need to c&p all of this? I'm just wondering because I can't gather any information based on her profile. And as a Madridista, I mean, I can't say I like some of the things I've been hearing but I don't really condone this behavior either.

(not trying to start anything, I'm just honestly curious about this whole situation and as I don't visit _fcb_ I don't know the background behind this)

[willywho.livejournal.com]

I still don't trust UEFA aka Racist Piece of Corrupted Shit.

[robinsparkle.livejournal.com]

It's all good :) no,I don't think the members from fcb don't know who this person is, just a lurker. This was a locked post too, which means they joined strictly to lurk as well. And I don't agree with what the comments say either, but they're also taken out of context here, which isn't fair. Idk I don't see why the OP couldn't confront the commenters themselves if she had such a problem with what they said. Instead it's posted here where there are no cules left. Idk I wanted to at least point it out since if this was a cule doing this to private comments on Hala you know people would have staked them.


If you want to argue and prove a point, it's best not to do it in a way that just makes you look like an ass, ya know? I don't want wank (inevitable, though) but idk I saw this and thought it was a little too much.

[robinsparkle.livejournal.com]

They don't know** who she is

[susieinthesky.livejournal.com]

i think it depends a great deal on WHICH groups are interacting

But by defining racism as only being white on non-white (which the prejudice+power definition basically does for the USA at least, I'll leave the UK out of it because I feel it's more complicated - for reasons such as I feel as someone of Chinese-Korean heritage, I face much less prejudice than immigrants of Polish descent do), doesn't that effectively automatically discount all interactions between any two groups where neither is white as irrelevant? It treats non-whites as a monolith, which we're not.

I also think, the vast majority of people who use terms like "reverse racism" mean "racism" as in the traditional definition of "racial prejudice", so there doesn't seem much point in shifting things around. "That's reverse racism!" "No, actually, racism only means institutionalised racism, so there can't be racism against whites because they have all the power." "Okay, fine. That's racial prejudice against whites!".

[carminaburana.livejournal.com]

But by defining racism as only being white on non-white, doesn't that effectively automatically discount all interactions between any two groups where neither is white as irrelevant? It treats non-whites as a monolith, which we're not.

I actually meant to do the opposite. It's not just white on non-whites, but prejudice by a member of a group with greater privilege against someone with less privilege, which is where "power" comes into the equation. (the question though is on what dimensions are we accounting for privilege).

[carminaburana.livejournal.com]

Also, i strongly agree that non-whites aren't a monolith and did not mean to give that impression at all. In fact, i have personal experience (as an Arab and Muslim) with just how much those institutions are still shifting. I didn't think i'd face MORE prejudice in the 21st century than i did in the 80s, for example.

[ipomoea.livejournal.com]

No, we don't. My guess: either a complete lurker who just likes to stir up trouble or someone who posts regularly here under another username using a sock account to copy and paste single comments taken out of many the posters made completely out of context from a locked post. FWIW in the original thread some of those comments were responding to they weren't even talking about RM appealing UEFA's decision, they were talking about a news story claiming FCB was appealing to avoid sanctions for Busquets.

[ipomoea.livejournal.com]

So nice of you to copy and paste things completely out of context to make it sound like people are dismayed by RM appealing to UEFA when what they were actually referring to was a story that Barça would be presenting allegations to UEFA to try to keep Busquets from being sanctioned. Way to completely twist it to make it sound like they were saying the complete opposite of what they were actually saying. Such a charming little sockpuppet troll you are.

[rinawenv.livejournal.com]

I understand that as well, but the reason why cules have been dealing with this privately is the very same reason why the club has been dealing with this privately--WE ARE EMBARASSAED.

And because of our very biased and personal feelings about the club, we also need deel with our *feelings* with people who might understand where we are coming from instead of getting personally attacked for any *slight* doubt or disagreement we might have about this situation. And as it's being proven to me rigt now, with this post: we are right to deal in private.

Obviously I think Busi is a piece of crap FOR MORE REASONS THAN ONE (though this just tops the cake), but we may have different ways of wanting to deal with this nonsense. My personal stance, which I have posted on fcb_lj, is that Busi should have held a press conference IMMEDIATELY after this shit happened, and apologized to Marcelo, the fans of both clubs, and said something like Andrew Bynum of the Lakers: "this doesn't represent the colors I wear, our values, etc." because FC Barcelona is more than Sergios Busquets. (Ideally I would have wanted the Camp Nou CL game to be played behind closed doors.)

However, I take the fan chants waaay more personally, because when I hear the fans at the Camp Nou yelling "mono mono mono" at , while other players like Dani are on the field, I FEEL LIKE GOING ON A HOMICIDAL SPREE. Why? Because FC Barcelona may be more than Sergio Busquets, it is NOT more than the fans. The fans *are* FC Barcelona.

And then I'll put myself in Dani's place...yes, they may not be chanting at him at this point in time, but what's the difference? I remember once working in a place where people were pointing out how ugly and *gypsy like* someone woman's skin color/hair texture was, which happened to be EXACTLY like mine, and even though they weren't insulting me, I just quietly sat there and felt like TOTAL shit.

Everyone has their different opinions on things, but the most important is to recognize that we are all coming from a good place. Kitty and I, or whoever else you guys decide to pick on and analyze and take out of context quotes from that span the trillion different posts that we have in regarding this incident (and even in posts that have *nothing* to do with this), please know that I have not for one moment seen anyone say anything like, "Lol racism is ok." Yes some doubted the validity of the video since there is not audio, but I know that we all agree that the second any bit of doubt is gone we want nothing more than this fool to pay the consequences of his assholery.

[susieinthesky.livejournal.com]

Okay, not "white on non-white", but "majority-group-with-power on powerless-minorities-collectively", which in the US is "white on non-white". The problem I have with that is it implies that lack of power/privilege is somehow unifying, which I don't think it is, and has a "my enemy's enemy is my friend"-connotation that I find very uncomfortable.

It also doesn't account for different levels of privilege that different minorities have. Unless in the US it really does just go "whites, others" with no further distinction, because here there's a definite pecking order, so to speak. I know who I have less privilege than (white people from Britain/Western&Southern Europe or South America obviously, but also Indians/Pakistanis/Bangladeshis, Turks, Tunisians, etc.) and who I have more privilege than (black people, people from the Middle East, white Eastern Europeans(+Russians), etc.). To bundle that altogether into an "us versus them"-thing, to me seems like the people who are further up the tree denying the privilege they do have as compared to those further down. It's not "white privilege", but it's still racial privilege. And when I know I'll have an easier time finding a job than an equally qualified Romanian purely because of our respective heritages, I find that hard to fit into this idea of that whiteness alone is inherently a privilege.

Using the "power + prejudice" definition of racism prioritises institutionalised racism as the problem, which I think is backwards. In a way I don't care who has more power than me if they're exerting it in an unprejudist way. It seems like the social justice movement has said "racism" is the problem, we'll sort out racial prejudice later, but what affects me in my day-to-day life is the prejudice which, as I've mentioned, for me comes mostly from people of other minorities. For people to turn around and say "it doesn't matter, because they don't actually have any institutionalised power over you" is not exactly comforting (...not that I'm saying you're doing that, but just it's the way other convos I've had on the subject have gone).

[winkiss.livejournal.com]

Oh, no, definitely, I know that there have been problems with culés lurking in hala as well and I don't understand anyone from either side doing it. I barely have time to browse my own comm! Thank you for answering :)

[winkiss.livejournal.com]

Ah, okay, thank you very much for responding, I was just trying to wrap my head around what actually happened. And the context is helpful. I'm sorry that things have gotten so out of hand :/

[verses.livejournal.com]

Super late but Materazzi denied insulting Zidane and still received a ban. Fifa but still

[verses.livejournal.com]

Try being polite and cordial if you want it back. Respect is earned – and not a SINGLE Madridista in _fb condemned Barcelona for what Busquets did until they started justifying/dismissing it.

[verses.livejournal.com]

Kitty accused of us playing the race card because she thought the club mentioned it two weeks later. She was wrong – and if you don't know the facts, you don't fucking accuse people of playing the race card.

[verses.livejournal.com]

You can definitely be racist against your own race... I know people who turn their nose up at the idea of dating anyone of their own race because of stereotypes that they apparently exclude themselves from.

[verses.livejournal.com]

How was it twisted? The opinions expressed in that post were very clear – regardless of what it was in response to.

[verses.livejournal.com]

Isn't it hard to join FCB, though? Don't you have to have an established account?

And actually, I wouldn't stake anyone for posting Hala comments.There are certain things I don't say in public to avoid being banned, but if push came to shove and someone c/ped them, it wouldn't be my fault so I'd shrug.